User talk:LadyGeek/Main Page

Advisor with an o
Can you change adviser to advisor, with an o?--Quebec 13:41, 25 March 2020 (MDT)
 * ✅ Any editor can edit a draft page. The "live" main page and Portal:Main Page/Categories (link containing "adviser") should be edited by Peculiar_Investor. --LadyGeek 13:56, 25 March 2020 (MDT)

Wikipedia template?
Could we boldly try wikipedia's current template? Something like this (ignore my choice of colours):

--Quebec 14:11, 25 March 2020 (MDT)


 * Yes, we can try. Please see my comments in the finiki lounge discussion. --LadyGeek 18:01, 25 March 2020 (MDT)


 * I've placed some content in the different text boxes to see how it looks. This is a shortened version of the category overviews created this weekend. Some content is still missing, some is still too long, but could we now try the two-column layout, as per wikipedia's current main page and as illustrated above?--Quebec 15:10, 29 March 2020 (MDT)


 * I've placed 2 of the blocks side-by-side. More work is needed to coerce them to be like Wikipedia, but I wanted to show the concept can be realized. We also need to add support for mobile. --LadyGeek 20:02, 29 March 2020 (MDT)


 * I've revised the draft to remove jargon that confuses a new investor. The descriptions are intentionally shorted and kept simple, which entices the reader to learn more. The lower-right corner has a link to the appropriate category (or page). We can put the blocks side-by-side again, but this shows the concept. To see the effect on different display resolutions, grab the corner of your web browser and drag to widen / narrow the window size. Watch how the text flows within each box. --LadyGeek 19:34, 30 March 2020 (MDT)


 * I can live with keywords only, but some important ones were missing IMO (including major articles developed within the last 5 years) so I've reintroduced them. Some of the added keywords are also taken from our former 'welcome' message and may be important to drive traffic. I realize the keywords lists are now very long. Maybe they can be broken down in two or three shorter lists within some categories.--Quebec 13:03, 31 March 2020 (MDT)


 * The longer lists have now been broken down into shorter ones. I've combined the boxes "Our purpose" and "Navigation" into "Introduction". I don't see any obvious improvements to be made in the contents, but other editors should have a look before we try the two-column layout.--Quebec 14:01, 2 April 2020 (MDT)

Sorry but seems to lose the plot for me, too many horizontal lines splitting the content into too many slices, with important content no longer visible. I appreciate the attempt to graphically explain finiki in the header, but using italics, particularly for wiki just looks weird because of the slants already in 'w'. --Peculiar Investor 11:10, 3 April 2020 (MDT)


 * the italics have been replaced by red font. Other comments, see the forum please ("finiki's front door").--Quebec 11:48, 3 April 2020 (MDT)


 * LadyGeek, I appreciate your efforts to place blocks side by side, but it does not quite achieve the "two columns" look of Wikipedia's main page. The reader should want to read downwards, from the first block to the second block. In Wikipedia they achieve this by having a pale border in the middle, between the two columns. Notice how the titles don't go all the way to these borders. I've had a look at the source code but there is a lot going on there...--Quebec 06:55, 4 April 2020 (MDT)


 * I have copied the Wikipedia source code to my Sandbox and will remove everything that we don't need. Wikipedia templates are very much like creating a statue from a block of stone - simply remove everything that's not a statue. (Google the artist Michaelangelo “It's simple. I just remove everything that is not David.”) --LadyGeek 18:42, 4 April 2020 (MDT)

Mobile support
The style sheets need classes "onlymobile" and "nobile" defined. See the Bogleheads' wiki:

/* Only for desktop devices */ .nomobile { display:none; }
 * MediaWiki:Mobile.css

/* Only for mobile devices */ .onlymobile { display:none; }
 * MediaWiki:Common.css

Once the style sheets have been updated, this can go in the draft page (copy from the wiki text, not what's displayed):


 * Getting started
 * Personal finance
 * Financial management
 * Financial planning
 * Investment management
 * Retirement planning
 * Reference material
 * Complete list...

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 * I'm a bit confused with the request as I double-checked against MediaWiki:Mobile.css on Wikipedia and the comment section specifically states: "Do not use display:none. Instead edit the template and markup the element you want to hide with the `nomobile` class." and there is no reference to  in MediaWiki:Common.css on Wikipedia. --Peculiar Investor 19:21, 27 March 2020 (MDT)
 * My links are to the Bogleheads' wiki. Perhaps we can revisit this. --LadyGeek 20:19, 27 March 2020 (MDT)


 * I have revisited the rationale for Bogleheads' wiki implementation. A complete explanation is in the talk page: MediaWiki talk:Common.css, which points to the recommendation to modify MediaWiki:common.css (Topic on Extension talk:MobileFrontend). I don't see how we can optimize the main page for mobile and desktop content without both classes defined. I believe the proposed class addition would be much simpler than implementing a dedicated mobile page.


 * I do confirm that "class="nomobile" " works as advertised in both the finiki and MediaWiki.org's sandboxes. (finiki:Sandbox demo) --LadyGeek 18:44, 7 April 2020 (MDT)


 * The Bogleheads wiki talk page has been revised to correct / clarify the display class descriptions. For finiki, perhaps a modification to MediaWiki:Mobile.css to add a "nodesktop" class would be appropriate.


 * {| class="wikitable"

!Class !! Display on Desktop !! Display on Mobile
 * nomobile (no modifications required)||Y||N
 * nodesktop||N || Y
 * }
 * --LadyGeek 08:11, 8 April 2020 (MDT)
 * }
 * --LadyGeek 08:11, 8 April 2020 (MDT)

Time to update main page?
Hi, now that the wiki software has been updated, is it time to revive the New Main Page project? --Quebec 05:38, 26 October 2020 (MDT)
 * Likely. I'm still seeing some issues with loading pages on my mobile devices that I'm still trying to identify and resolve. --Peculiar Investor 06:06, 26 October 2020 (MDT)
 * The mobile page loading issues can be pursued independently of the page development. I have revised User:LadyGeek/Main Page to align with the current content. (The layout prototype is in User:LadyGeek/Sandbox.)
 * We can also proceed with customizing the mobile device menu, but modification of the interface page should be done by Peculiar Investor. Content can be discussed in the private finiki editor's forum (see my post of 18 October 2020). --LadyGeek 07:12, 26 October 2020 (MDT)
 * The issue for me is I cannot get finiki pages loading on my mobile devices properly, so I have no current ability to test any of the proposed changes for mobile devices. I can load the mobile pages on my desktop, using the toggle for "Mobile view" in the footer. Unfortunately this means they are not independent activities for me. --Peculiar Investor 07:51, 26 October 2020 (MDT)
 * Just to provide an update. I've been working with the MediaWiki Support Desk and have narrowed down the problem to Apple devices running OS 14 variants. So far I've opened two tickets with MediaWiki regarding these problems and at this time there is no identified solution, nor timeframe to resolution. I haven't forgotten about this effort. --Peculiar Investor 06:15, 11 November 2020 (MST)